A few weeks in the past, I posted concerning the Tua Tagovailoa/Miami Dolphins contract state of affairs and the way it looks like Tua’s final quantity goes up with each new quarterback contract. This adopted the signing of Trevor Lawerance by the Jacksonville Jaguars to a 5-year 275 million greenback deal. I then requested the next question-
Do you suppose Tua is price greater than 55 million {dollars} per season? Ought to the Dolphins give Tua a deal that exceeds Trevor Lawerance’s 55 million {dollars} per season common, or play hardball and supply him what they suppose is a contract that displays his precise worth?
Under are a few of your ideas and answers-
Call_for_the_Priest’77 says it’s price it as a result of the choice isn’t higher.
Does it make sense to speculate large in Tua when he has but to steer us into playoff relevance? I’m firmly within the sure camp on this. Investing is all the time a danger. You’re placing out cash forward of outcomes however like a lot of enterprise, that’s the nature of the sport. Gamers are paid by contract, not recreation by recreation outcomes.
I first take a look at Tua’s professional profession. He has improved yearly within the league, put up some incredible, even league main numbers in some instances and has proven great throwing abilities alongside the way in which that few different QBs have achieved. He additionally has prevailed via tough circumstances akin to a tyrannical out of contact head coach who was decided to interchange Tua the second the workforce bought him. Following these first two years was a nightmare yr of significant concussions, but round which he nonetheless put up good numbers (and suffered no time loss accidents outdoors of the concussions BTW for you Tua dissenters). And all through all this, Tua has stood tall, trusted his talents and performed nicely for us. This culminated in a league main passing title final yr and a extremely surprising season sweep by way of beginning all 17 video games (what’s occurring right here dissenters??). My backside line with regards to Tua’s play is that he’s far nearer to really elite QB standing than he’s to a terminally mediocrity standing QB.
The second facet to think about is the void left by Tua ought to he not get the form of deal he needs. A commerce or franchise tag would absolutely outcome. The issue with the commerce concept is who’s going to be made obtainable on the market that present Tua’s promise and who could be considerably cheaper? Franchise tagging Tua would seemingly be shut sufficient in primary monetary phrases to what Tua is demanding. It could curtail some further calls for of Tua (akin to assured cash, size of contract…) however would there actually be that a lot distinction? And I wouldn’t exclude the potential of some draft capital heavy, QB salivating workforce from poaching Tua if he’s given a possible non-exclusive tag (2 first spherical picks as compensation for placing forth an quantity Miami wouldn’t wish to match). Franchise tags are a dying knell for gamers staying with their tagging groups so Tua would ultimately be freed as an FA and the workforce would get nothing in return. This leaves a good larger void from Tua’s eventual absence.
So the way in which I see it’s that Tua ought to receives a commission an inexpensive market worth and possibly a bit extra by way of further base cash, incentives (potential more money if he statistically earns it), financial ensures and so forth. Has his manufacturing been price that up so far? Properly, though we wish and wish extra out of Tua, I might say it’s potential he has been price this up so far. However now’s his potential price such a deal? Undoubtedly! And is it price paying (maybe) greater than we wish to with a view to keep away from the hazards of changing Tua both right away or within the close to future (if tagged)? As soon as once more most positively sure!
tpl says no, make up the distinction in bonuses.
55 million a yr, no. I might attempt to give him a lesser quantity, however with efficiency bonus
DolphinFan85 has rather a lot to say, however I nonetheless do not know if he’s down with paying Tua.
Tua has to win interval. Who mentioned something was honest in soccer? Tua does carry the burden of expectation from older followers who’ve seen a lot go fallacious for thus lengthy when it counts most…To be honest, Tua and Hill, Waddle and so forth have introduced me out of my seat numerous instances the previous few seasons. Getting drafted excessive coming off a serious hip harm was one thing many followers had a tough time understanding, however from many accounts, Steve Ross had Tua as his private alternative. I hope Dan Marino shall be spending numerous time with Tua, and that features halftime when changes may be made to the sport plan . The present Head Coach isn’t recognized positively for good in-game changes.
Spok507 says Grier wants to stay to his weapons and solely pay Tagovailoa what he’s price.
Everybody retains saying the Dolphins and Grier are at fault for not getting Tua’s contract achieved earlier. Perhaps it’s Tua and his agent which might be at fault. Perhaps they’re simply asking for an excessive amount of. “The market is the market” is a cop out and makes it apparent he’s the one taking part in video games. It’s extremely potential the Dolphins are being very affordable and Tua simply needs to be paid greater than anybody and re-set the market. That’s ego pushed and if that’s the case, I hope Grier sticks to his weapons and retains an inexpensive supply on the desk. The workforce shouldn’t be held hostage by one participant, particularly since Tua hasn’t proven he’s price a market-setting contract. If they provide him one thing between Goff and Burrow/Lawrence, I hope he’s sensible sufficient to take it. If not, possibly he’d take pleasure in taking part in in Seattle. Or Minnesota. Or anyplace else that might be determined sufficient to pay him greater than he’s price.
ChumpPunk says he’s not price it, however give it to him as a result of what different alternative do you’ve got?
Nah! Nobody place is well worth the cap cleansing quantity the QBs are selfishly taking. Nevertheless, the “market” has stupidly fostered this aberration and so they’re caught with it. So, pay up! Till the house owners get collectively and (illegally) cease this theft it’s going to persist.
21Dave simply would not wish to hear about this s**t any longer!
If I say sure can we finish the discuss it, I imply I’ll say know if that does the trick. It doesn’t matter if he’s or isn’t , it’s not our name. The worth for QB’s goes up, so it doesn’t matter what occurs he as of know provides us the perfect probability to win, so pay him and be achieved. Have an out clause in it and be achieved with it already. I might like to see him stretch his cash out over 8 years so it’s much less hit every season.
PhinstantReaction says he’s not price it!
He’s clearly not price that contract. Only a few are. He’s not bodily proficient sufficient and hasn’t confirmed he’s a recreation changer. He’s part of a workforce so he ought to take a workforce pleasant deal like Baker Mayfield simply bought. It blows me away that folks don’t see he’s part of a system. He’s good, however he’s not the rationale the Fins are enjoyable to look at. He wants to assist his workforce proceed to pay different folks.
Luvs2drnk2.0 says the Dolphins can’t afford to not pull the set off on the large cash.
Right here is the extra related query. Can they afford NOT to pay Tua market worth? As a lot as folks on right here appear to suppose it’s very straightforward to discover a franchise QB. Historical past has proven that it’s simply not that straightforward, and the vast majority of franchises go 20+ years looking for a QB that may make them long run success.
DaGnome needs us to take heed to Kurt Warner and pay the person!
Take heed to the standard folks like Kurt Warner, a successful, hard-working man, who speaks from expertise and never the speaking media hounds attempting to get clicks like others who I received’t dignify by stating their names. Don’t you suppose a workforce is wise to place a system in on your quarterback that works?? Perhaps different groups ought to do the identical in the event that they aren’t.
I’m uninterested in listening to these folks claiming he wants to stay wholesome. Joe Burrow is fraught with harm, DeShaun Watson, Anthony Richardson additionally joined these ranks, however they aren’t tossed on this dialog. After which you’ve got Justin Herbert, who sadly will all the time be linked to Tua, and his workforce had the fifth choose within the draft, however that’s okay as a result of he had just a few injured gamers. Tua misplaced 1 playoff recreation in ridiculous situations of climate, defensive replacements (gamers beginning in key positions have been in avenue garments the week earlier than), the offensive line was in its twelfth formation, Tyreek, Waddle, and Mostert have been additionally banged up, and but we hear folks saying he must win a playoff recreation like he has been in half a dozen…. it was 1.
Dolphin followers, we have to unite, as a result of if all of us don’t get behind him, we’re going to undergo one other 20 years of sub-par soccer. The market worth is what it’s. Tua goes to get lambasted irrespective of the contract, so simply get him paid, as a result of he’s the form of participant who will work even more durable and he’s positively the form of man I root for.
Dolfanjoe says wait and see…
Play out this season ! If he’s price it franchise him subsequent season and draft an understudy. Couple of huge complications from retiring now !
dolphinfan1323 didn’t say whether or not we should always pay him that quantity or not, however he blames Grier both approach, I feel!?!
Chris Grier is all the time behind what the market is and finally ends up costing Miami gamers or tens of millions in cap area!! He ought to have closed the deal early and would have been cheaper he has no downside throwing cash at different groups gamers however the gamers he drafted and Miami developed he needs to play exhausting ball ridiculous. He simply can’t shut the deal and construct a whole workforce ppl on right here complain about his drafting nicely he has achieved an honest job with that trades and free company. He has did not construct an offensive line and retaining our personal drafted gamers when different groups are locking up there good younger expertise Grier is taking part in exhausting ball and so they find yourself get overpaid in free company and we lose them it’s the Grier approach two steps ahead and two steps again all the time simply spinning the wheels
daytonadolfan says pay him, even presumably extra if that’s what it takes. Additionally, Joe is appropriate; I hope I by no means must see White take the sphere as a Dolphin ever once more.
Night, Tua’ ought to get a minimum of matching wage if not a bit extra . He’s higher than Lawrence for my part and they should pay the person.Skyler or White isn’t the reply so what are ya gonna do …..swimsuit up an outdated Tannehill?
glen55 says HELL YES, he’s price it. Properly, he wasn’t that fired up, however nonetheless, a sure!
“Value it” is form of a philosophical query. Most individuals suppose that soccer quarterbacks shouldn’t be getting paid $50 million a yr. However within the precise QB market they’re, as a result of numerous components involving the wage cap, the way in which salaries are structured, and the crucial significance of QB play to the groups. That’s simply actuality.
So … when you’re prepared to simply accept actuality, then sure after all he’s. He’s price greater than that. There’s nothing however a world of harm forward if the Dolphins don’t hook him up.
Thomas23059 allowed previous recollections to remind him that we’ve to pay Tagovailoa.
Somebody was speaking about Cleo Lemon right now. Tua is price no matter it takes to get him to remain.
NCSurferMike asks what else are they going to do?
Except for utilizing legs to increase performs, Tua has been higher than Lawrence in each approach. Neither is price 55 million a yr, however it’s what it’s. What else are the Fins going to do? Go along with Mike White?
The opinions on this topic diversified from no to sure to nicely, what different alternative do we’ve? I’ve to agree with the what alternative do we’ve group. Ultimately, the workforce will give him just about what he needs, so you need to all the time marvel what the rattling holdup is, to start with. I simply hope this complete saga involves a conclusion earlier than camp begins in order that the entire workforce isn’t requested about it every day. Once more, thanks to every of you who took the time to reply the query of the day and take part on the talk.
